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I don’t have enough words to sufficiently condemn Donald Trump’s shameful decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. So, I’m going to let these people to speak for me. And these people, and these people, and this guy, too. Donald Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio, and now he wants a million kids to deport themselves. We should never forget that, nor should we forget the lickspittles like Ken Paxton who urged him on. If you’ve ever wondered if there’s a bottom to this administration or its enablers, the answer is no. There’s always lower to go. Stace has more.

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27 Comments

  1. Flypusher says:

    Trump didn’t even have the balls to announce it himself.

  2. C.L. says:

    There’s plenty of blame to go around here – the House and Senate has been kicking the immigration can down the road for decades, failing to do something/anything to fix the broken system. I’m no fan of Trump by any measure, but if there is any good to come out of this, it’ll be from the threat to have the individuals ‘self-deport’ themselves or be forcefully removed. Maybe Congress will FINALLY do something about the problem.

  3. neither here nor there says:

    Yes C.L. threats are always good, I remember going under the desk for the air raid drills in case Russia sent over some of their nukes, have to love threats.

  4. Jen says:

    The main reason he is reversing DACA is that it is an Obama policy. Same with trans in the military. This is all about petty personal animus from a sick narcissist. Doesn’t matter that who gets their lives destroyed are some of the most vulnerable people in America. Including kids. What a big stinking turd.

  5. Flypusher says:

    Jen, don’t forget the flood risk regulations. Even with Harvey slamming Houston, the fool hasn’t reversed that horribly bad decision. I’d rather he kept that million $ and put those rules back.

  6. C.L. says:

    Yup, he’s reversing it because it was an Obama EO. Yup, he’s a big stinking turd. Yes, it’s a threat being made by the President…. but at the end of the day, it’s Congress that should have/could have fixed the issue years ago. You want to end this Clown ? Convince the 42% of eligible voters who DIDN’T vote in 2016 to vote in 2018 and 2020.

  7. Astrodomer says:

    Follow the law.

  8. Bill Daniels says:

    This is Trump pushing the agenda he won the election on. You would have thought that the immigration issue was settled in 1986, when Reagan granted the amnesty, and thought we were going to go forward and enforce the rule of law. Fast forward 30 years, and here we are, again.

    You can get your 800,000 legalized, which I think Trump actually is OK with, but it’s going to cost you a wall and even more robust deportation programs. Trump is basically forcing the left and half the right to live up to what they all agreed to in 1986, and then again in 2006, when the border fence was authorized, but not paid for.

    Personally, I’d insist that the parents of these documented illegal aliens be proven to be deported before they can go any further in the process of becoming legal. We don’t want to punish the kids for the sins of the parents, but is it too much that we ask the parents to go back where they belong? I’m not familiar with the paperwork the DACA folks filled out, but surely it contains info on the parents and relatives who brought them here illegally, and where they are now, and how to find them. They need to go back, and they shouldn’t mind doing that. They came here to give their kids a better life, and their kids will have a better life when they get legalized. Mission accomplished. Now go home.

  9. Flypusher says:

    This is Trump being a lazy coward and punting this to a Congress even more dysfunctional than the ones that couldn’t pass reform under W.

    It will get fixed if and when the assholes are voted out.

  10. Bill Daniels says:

    One more thought: Lots of people here want open borders, from both sides of the aisle. What Trump has done is force the issue. He’s forcing legislators to get on record as supporting open borders (which is exactly what amnesty without a wall and increased deportation means), and the 6 month timetable puts this issue squarely in the 2018 election season, so incumbent primary opponents can run on the issue. I’m expecting yet another blood bath, particularly among (R) incumbents in their primary races. Tick tock.

  11. Bill Daniels says:

    Fly:

    Reform is a code word for amnesty and open borders. Think about where we are when people who actually enforce the law are the bad people and people who break the law are the good people. All the people who brought these dreamers here flipped the bird to Reagan and to our country’s laws, and laughed about it. These are the good people, but our Border Patrol, ICE, and president are bad people.

    Everyone on both sides gives lip service to “secure our borders,” but look around….most people who say that don’t actually want it. Bill Clinton talked about it in his 1994 State of the Union address. Bush got a fence authorized in 2006. We’ve been talking about it for decades, but most of those talkers are just…..talking.

    Trump is actually doing something about it, and all those talkers are now apoplectic.

    Is it kinda shitty that Trump is using those 800,000, mainly sympathetic adults, as hostages? Yes, it is. The fact is, I elected him to get things done, not to talk. I’ve gotten talk my whole life. This is Trump getting things done. You break some eggs to make an omelet.

  12. C.L. says:

    @Flypusher… re: “It will get fixed if and when the assholes are voted out.” Me thinks you have a skewed memory of history. This problem has been around for decades, long before the current A-Hole was elected, and Congress never fixed it.

  13. Flypusher says:

    Funny how the people yelling for omelettes are never the ones who get cracked.

    And no, not everyone who wants reform is calling for no-strings amnesty and open borders. Quite Orwellian of you to be changing all those definitions.

  14. Flypusher says:

    Yes, but it’s even worse than it was.

  15. Flypusher says:

    Also Bill, Trump is the very definition of more talk than action, more bark than bite, more style than substance. I refer you to his “leadership” in getting Obamacare repealed.

  16. Tom in Lazybrook says:

    I seem to remember a case from July, where a terminally ill British baby (white – of course) was provided with permanent US residency (not just a visa) in a move supported by Donald Trump. This was done as a ‘stand alone’ bill.

    But 800,000 persons who know of no other country are threatened with deportion (or held hostage to it) because they are not white. I’m sure we can find any number of them that have issues with health.

    I fail to see how anyone can claim that Trump’s/GOP’s actions in the Charlie Gard case and the DACA removal can be explained by anything other than straight up racism. Unless of course, the result is permanent residence status in A STAND ALONE bill.

  17. Bill Daniels says:

    Tom,

    Charlie had a medical war chest of $ 2M to spend here in America on treatment. Helping Charlie come over would immediately benefit the US economy, and, let’s face it…..everyone pretty much knew he would die anyway, so the family blows their $ 2M in the US, kid dies, we learn something that can help future victims, the family goes back feeling better about doing everything they could to save their son, and the US trade deficit is down by $ 2M.

    You look at what happened as feelz, I look at it as a free trade agreement: 1) free market economics, putting a willing buyer and a willing seller together to engage in voluntary commerce, and 2) embarrassing socialist England for refusing their citizens’ right to engage in trade with the US. Think about that. They were refusing to let the kid leave to get treatment here. What kind of repressive government is it that refuses to let its citizens leave at will?

  18. Ross says:

    The goals of DACA are laudable, and offer a good solution to part of the immigration issue. However, unless Congress authorizes such actions, the President doesn’t get to rule by fiat, making up feel good crap as he goes along. That was always the weakness of DACA, and the 10 states that sued to end it stood a good chance of prevailing. I hope Congress can do something reasonable, although neither the Republicans or the Democrats look reasonable lately.

  19. Bill Daniels says:

    Fly:

    Trump just stuck a finger in the eye of (R)’s who couldn’t get ObamaCare repealed, by negotiating a debt limit extension with the (D)’s. You say more style than substance, but I disagree. He’s less style and more blunt instrument, which is exactly what I voted for. He is not beholden to anyone, other than the deplorables like me who voted him in.

    When is the last time you saw a president work this hard on actually fulfilling campaign promises, this early? You might not agree with his policies, but he is definitely working on implementing them, and the part I love is, he’s just pissing off the entire establishment political class…..the class that couldn’t come up with a permanent solution to illegal immigration, to taxes, or to any number of other issues.

    Establishment politicians on both sides of the aisle: “You…..you….you can’t do that!”

    Trump: “Hold my beer and watch this!”

    I love it. Love seeing useless McConnell and Paul Ryan having their noses rubbed in it.

  20. neither here nor there says:

    Bill, I have the one question that thus far you refuse to answer, why do you hate Brown folks so much. I will limit it to the undocumented folks, but I don’t think your hate stops there.

  21. neither here nor there says:

    Based on your final comment, one could make an assumption that you hate this country so much that you would vote for anyone that would destroy it, so why is that Bill?

  22. Flypusher says:

    “When is the last time you saw a president work this hard on actually fulfilling campaign promises, this early?”

    Back in 2009-10, when Obama put in some real effort to get the ACA passed. Trump’s “effort” pales in comparison.

    You may revel in Trump pissing so many people off, but that is no basis for a system of government, and sooner or later it will bite you in the backside.

  23. Bill Daniels says:

    Fly,

    The ACA and opening up travel and trade with Cuba a little bit is about all the legacy Obama has left, and one way or another ObamaCare will go, either in a death spiral of higher premiums that eventually no one can afford, or insurers completely dropping out, or Trump finally herding the cats known as RINO’s into doing what they campaigned on. However it happens, it’s just a matter of time. I supported relaxing the Cuban embargo, though.

  24. neither here nor there says:

    Bill you are like all typical “Conservatives”, define RINO. Explain all the difference between a true conservative or/and Bill and a RINO?

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  26. Flypusher says:

    “The ACA and opening up travel and trade with Cuba a little bit is about all the legacy Obama has left, and one way or another ObamaCare will go, either in a death spiral of higher premiums that eventually no one can afford, or insurers completely dropping out,”

    If that happens, it will be a classic case of a self-fulfilling prophecy- like never doing maintanemce on your house and it falls down.

    “…or Trump finally herding the cats known as RINO’s into doing what they campaigned on…”

    Except that that would require actual work, and we all saw how much effort Trump put into selling the AHCA, even when he wanted a “win” so badly. Since you believe so strongly in Trump’s work ethic, I’m sure you’ll be interested in this nice used bridge I have for sale, cheap!

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