This is Donald Trump’s fault. All of it, though he did have plenty of assistance. Impeach him again, convict him this time, and then arrest him on the way out the door. There had been a call for censure before yesterday’s appalling disgrace, and I applaud Rep. Colin Allred for supporting that call, but we’re way past that point now.
And never forget that Ken Paxton had traveled to DC to be there for this. Never forget Ted Cruz sent a fundraising email in the immediate aftermath. Every day, they should both should be reminded of this.
All of Trump’s lickspittle seditious enablers, from Paxton to Ted Cruz to Louie Gohmert to Dan Crenshaw and more, should resign in shame, delete all their social media accounts, and never speak in public again, but only after they finally, finally, disavow Trump. Assuming they’re even capable of that. I don’t have words strong enough to adequately condemn all this.
One last thing: Given the failure of the DC police to stop or apprehend these thugs, it’s now on President Biden’s Justice Department to do a thorough review of all the video, news stories, social media posts, and anything else, and then arrest every single person they can identify that was inside the Capitol. None of them should be allowed to get away with this. Those who were just there for the lulz and didn’t invade the building should be named and shamed.
Invoking the 25th sounds like it would be quicker and you could effectively separate him from the levers of power until Biden takes the oath. Also Twitter needs to makes that suspension permanent. But then impeaching him, convicting him, and banning him from future office would be a great idea.
Also if you have a source listing which TX reps joined the sedition caucus, please post it.
The Democrats can now crush and expel the Republican party all together now. Can a one party system truly be formed? There’s the anger, there’s the violence, there’s everything needed. Or,
Do the Democrats still need the Republicans? Very exciting times.
Now the biggest hurdle is in front of the Democrats, answering to their constituency. Their constituency has some very tall orders (including this blog post) and there is nothing stopping them, and there is no one to blame anymore. Will they do the will of the people who got them there? Stay tuned.
I agree with Kuff’s post. Yesterday’s events transcend partisan politics. Trump is a moral stain on our nation’s fabric and it cannot be allowed to set. His immediate removal from power is a moral necessity.
I’d rather see a reality based sane center right party replace the GOP. If this new party ditches the appeals to White Supremacy, the anti-science attitudes, trickle down economics, and the catering to religious fundies, I could consider voting for some of their candidates.
Also I found the list on WaPo, and I am disappointed but not surprised to find Nehls on it.
I suspect that Pence knows that he should probably invoke the 25th, but I would be shocked if he did it. I also can’t imagine Congress could impeach the President in under 2 weeks. Twitter could certainly ban his account, which would take away his biggest microphone.
As for Cruz, he either is completely unprincipled or doesn’t understand the basics of cause and effect. My guess is that it’s mostly the former, but it probably doesn’t matter what combination of the two it is.
But, flypusher, there are no other parties. No other choices. America needs this, it is a painful medicine, whatever the outcome.
I’d rather see a reality based sane center right party replace the GOP.
I emphatically agree with this, as do most of my friends and family who voted for Biden.
Read some history dude. The GOP replaced the Whig party, which replaced the Federalist Party. Our system is set up for 2 parties. If the GOP dies as it richly deserves, something will replace it. Here’s hoping it’s something better.
Flypusher, read a little closer, there are times when more than 2 parties competed, even times when factions of the same party competes. But, it was in the first 100 years of this nation, which can hardly be applied to today.
My point is, the thought that there would be only one party and your choices are limited, is one Americans want to avoid, even in this conversation. You can say there are other parties, Libertarians or the Greens, but the road blocks set up for them are obstacles they have to deal with, making them ‘unviable’, and the voters who want to vote for them as ‘undecided’ (the most valued voter in this past election, but will no longer be mentioned by either party). Only for conversations’ sake, think about what a one party system would be (refrain from thinking about Nazis) just to see how close this nation can be to it and how the Democrats truly need the Republicans. Now the Democrats can put up road blocks, or make the voting system any way they want, Democrat constituencies want the GOP dead and gone, but will the Democrats carry out the wishes of their constituency?
And what will the constituency do if the Democrats do not fulfill their campaign promises (outside of ‘not Trump’)? They have no one to blame now, no excuses, no road blocks. Is this a government truly governed by the people, for the people? I think it is a tall order for the Democrats.
We already have a reality-based center-right party: The Democratic Party. Sure, there are some progressives in the Democratic Party, but only because there isn’t a real alternative to the left that has any power.
I’m waiting for Bill to show up and claim that that guy with the weave who gave the speech yesterday encouraging the rioters to storm the Capitol was three small Antifa agitators in a Trump skin suit.
You keep missing my point. We need at least 2 parties. But political parties have to be reality based. Our problem is that a substantial portion of the GOP has gone down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, and they would rather trash our system instead of doing the work of figuring out how to appeal to more voters. They would rather limit the franchise than persuade people. The GOP needs to get its house in order, or it needs to be replaced. How you interpret that as being OK with one party D rule is beyond me.
Flypusher, I don’t think we’re at a difference. Your quote “We need at least 2 parties” is right on point. We are one party away from a one party system and the GOP is knees deep in political poop with a Democrat party whose has the power, and their constituency vocalizes, to punish them. The only other viable party is very weak and will the Democrats follow through with their constituency’s wishes to punish them, with the Democrats knowing they need at least two parties. So, the Democrats need the Republicans to stay viable and will not make it more difficult for them. Therefore, Democrats with an African American constituency that says the Democrats are failing them, have a huge order on their plate.
This is better than professional sports and I don’t have to buy a $10 beer
I was pleased to note that Congressman Dan Crenshaw voted to certify the election results and reject the challenges to the Arizona and Pennsylvania results.
Mainstream are you defending that Trump shoe licker, the self-proclaimed hero?
Is he is now a John Kerry type of Democrat? He was for it before he was against it
Manny, don’t forget to write your Congress people and let them know you want the GOP dissolved. I am not kidding, go for it.
Formation of a new party will have to wait for the gunfight at the OK Corral between the non-loony and the Q factions in the GOP. Q has infiltrated the GOP to the extent that I’d not be willing to predict who would prevail.
I don’t have Twitter, so I don’t receive the incendiary information that Trump allegedly sends out. The last I heard was that the Proud Boys were on standby and I didn’t hear that they had been activated.
This resulted in the death of one young woman. Simply blaming Trump is facile, and won’t fix anything.
It makes sense to wonder how a geriatric senile candidate got more votes than anyone in history. About how Trump got more votes than he did in 2016, but still lost. The way that Trump was leading on Election Day, but his lead slowly dissipated over the next two weeks, until he lost. How did anyone vote for a candidate who never answered the question as to whether he would pack the Supreme Court. The states who changed their election rules in violation of the law were allowed to do so by the courts.
The blame must extend to Trump allowing the riots and violence in the spring and summer of 2020. Allowing the Chaz secession and anarchy set a dangerous precedent for violence being considered peaceful protest. We also have to blame Obama, for allowing the Russians to rig and infiltrate the 2016 election. I also question why Trump didn’t enlist the support of his Russian allies in this election, but there you go.
Impeaching Trump or blaming him won’t restore faith in the election process. The only solution is to bring in international monitors who can review this election, and then issue a binding ruling as to whether it was free and fair, and to determine the next steps.
David, I have no idea in what reality you exist, but we only have one congressperson to represent us, my congressman is Al Green. The two senators are both members of the Trump Party.
David, are you that stupid, or you making an assumption that I am?
I have never hidden that I voted for John McCain, even though his selection for VP did he me some doubts. I liked Bill Archer and voted for him when he was my representative. I actually had nothing against Phil Graham his office never failed to respond.
How many Congress members represent you, David?
did give me
Steve Schmidt has an interesting prediction:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1345533164102541315
Note the date on that Tweet.
The Red Mirage effect was discussed and explained long before Election Day. It unfolded exactly as it was predicted. It should be noted that the Gov of PA wanted to start counting mail in ballots early (like they do in states like FL), but it was GOPers in the state lege who said no. Also not answering about packing the SCOTUS pales in comparison to lying about a pandemic.
You are embarrassing yourself, but I suspect you don’t care.
Jason the Trump worshipper? Is it his racism that turns you on? Or his bigotry? His misogyny? His constant lie tellings? What turns you on about Trump, Jason?
Jason lets us begin with Texas because the Republicans stole the election here, tell your fella Trump worshippers that you all should begin with Texas.
Over 3,000 people born in 1900 voted in the election, that is a lot of 120-year-old people in Harris County. That is one of the reasons that Trump’s percentage in Harris County went up.
I am more than happy to wait for the orange buffoon to disappear, the 12 days of Christmas have started again end on January 20th at noon. The best present I will get for 2021, only pales to the November 2020 gift that the American people received. Got rid of treachours American hater and left his worshippers without their god. Send him some more money Jason, he needs it.
Damn, manny, take it easy. Sorry I even addressed you.
The depth of delusion is reflected in the fact that many GOP sources have implied that the persons who trashed the Capitol were actually Antifa folks masquerading as Trumpers. KTRH 740 radio even suggested that this morning. I hope some reputable news source will print the names of all those arrested and do a background report talking to their neighbors and co-workers and friends to confirm the true political leanings of the rioters who breached the Capitol. Of course, unless it shows up on Fox, a segment of our society will never hear about.
We know that the woman that was killed while invading the capital was a strong Trump supporter.
We know that the half-naked guy was a Trump supporter.
We know that the guy sitting on Pelosi’s desk is a Trump supporter.
Those are the ones that off the top of my head have been verified as Trump supporters.
So there are reports that Trump’s closest aides are saying that he is “mentally unreachable”, yet they will not go public. If you truly believe that, then he is a danger to this country, and it is your duty to go public and encourage the 25A solution. Tiptoeing around this problem isn’t helping you or anyone else.
Manny, you know there’s an explanation for the 120 year old voters, don’t you? It’s people who registered to vote before the County started putting birth dates in their system. When birth dates were added, any missing dates were set to 1/1/1900.
Pelosi says invoke the 25th amendment or they will impeach again.
RE: “The states who changed their election rules in violation of the law were allowed to do so by the courts.”
Herr Hochman:
Judges on our (common-law & statutory-construction) courts proudly repeat time and again, whether individually or collectively, that it is the role and duty of the court to “say what the law is,” quoting a renowned predecessor.
Are you suggesting that you are the proper authority to substitute your own pronouncements of what you think the law is, and who broke it? If so, how about 300 more million people each deciding for themselves what the law is?
How do you think that would work?
Case reference: Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)(“It is emphatically the duty of the Judicial Department to say what the law is. Those who apply the rule to particular cases must, of necessity, expound and interpret the rule. If two laws conflict with each other, the Court must decide on the operation of each. If courts are to regard the Constitution, and the Constitution is superior to any ordinary act of the legislature, the Constitution, and not such ordinary act, must govern the case to which they both apply.”).
I knew that Ross, but was wondering if the Bot, Jason, knew. Hey, they believe all kind of bull, I don’t mind throwing some their way every now and then, never know what shit will stick with them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/28/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-protesters-christine-blasey-ford/1453524002/
I’m old enough to remember when the Capitol was overrun with screaming psychos who refused to leave and even threatened congressmen in elevators and subways and that was not only acceptable, those who did it were stunning and brave.
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
Amen and Awomen
Can’t decide my fav Kav moment – when he was crying during his hearing, when he testified that he liked beer, or when he refused to hear trumps fake voter fraud cases.
Hey Jules,
In retrospect, after seeing what an abject, weak failure Kav actually turned out to be, my favorite moment now is when y’all reduced him to tears after falsely accusing him of being a gang rapist. I really hope that shit hurt him. I can’t help but still feel bad for his daughter and wife. though. They didn’t deserve that.
Well, that’s the ball game. Trump just conceded, and as a parting shot, he just threw his supporters who protested inside the Congress building under the bus.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347334804052844550?s=20
Congratulations on your win, OTK’ers. Joe Biden will be our president.
Off topic, but Manny, you should have bet me and taken my money, as it turns out. Your candidate will be installed.
An interesting rumor I just heard- allegedly Trump has acknowledged in private for several weeks that he lost the election. So why make all this public fuss for so long? For branding. For the idea that if he could even flip only one state, even if it wasn’t enough to win the election, it would show what a fighter he is. I do not know if this is true, but it sure makes sense. If so, it is poetic justice that his brand is now trash. You could say “his name is Mudd”, but maybe now we should pardon Dr. Mudd and substitute “Trump” instead.
Bill so now that the racist orange buffoon throws in the towel, like the good dog you follow his lead.
Spare me, he belongs behind bars. Why weren’t you in Washington with the rest of the traitorous terrorists?
Yeah, he didn’t write that speech. Pence was like, read this or you get the 25th!
A huge difference between the Kavanaugh protests and the Republican party riot at the Capitol is that it is now being reported that a police officer has died as a result of injuries sustained Wednesday. All those who breached the Capitol should be charged with murder, along with trump and cruz. Law and order party, I don’t think so.
Give us an honest answer Bill, are you really shocked that Trump “threw his supporters under the bus”?
Fly,
Yes, I am honestly shocked, although I am holding out hope that he will issue a slew of pardons that will include everyone who was at the Capitol in D.C. on January 6th. He could and should do that. He owes those people that.
And his video very much looked like a hostage video to me. He went up against the full force of our government, the intelligence agencies, the DoJ, the Dems, the Reps, the MSM, foreign countries, Hollywood…..he went against all of that, and fought and fought for the American people, but he was finally overwhelmed. The Alamo defenders finally lost after impossible odds, too.
I’m wondering if he traded his only remaining card, declassifying all the information about the illegal spying by Team Obama on Team Trump, the coup attempt against him for the crimes of the Biden family, the Wasserman Schultz/Paki intelligence laptop, the Weiner laptop, and Hunter’s laptop, etc., in exchange for a guarantee of safety for him and his family. After everything he’s been through, I wouldn’t blame him for that at all. If Epstein could get got, ANYBODY can get got. Barron can get got. Trump’s grandkids can get got.
That’s a shame, too, because I would have loved for him to declassify and send copies of those laptops and all the illegal FISA stuff, whatever Durham actually may have done, without redactions, etc. to every news outlet world wide, including to Wikileaks, for publication. That obviously isn’t going to happen, the institutional state won, Trump and his base lost.
re: “Congratulations on your win, OTK’ers. Joe Biden will be our president.”
Joe Biden was declared the Country’s President on Dec 14th, 2020, when California electors affirmed his win and put him over the 270 electoral vote count. Maybe the problems with Louis DeJoy’s snail mail system prevented or slowed that info from making it to Pennsylvania Avenue…or to Bill’s house.
Wanting trump to pardon his fellow murders of a police officer is sick.
Wow, you still won’t put the koolaide down. Trump has been in the public eye for decades.
He has a long track record of one-way loyalty and back-stabbing. If you still think he actually cares about you, you are a lost cause.
One of the best reasons for a quick 25A solution, but sadly the cabinet rats are jumping.
Jules,
When did you start caring about cops? I don’t remember you crying when your people murdered David Dorn, and then celebrated while filming him dying, bleeding out on the street. ACAB? Defund the police? Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon? That is ALL leftists. That’s your people.
I grieve for not only the cop who was killed, but also for Ashli, the unarmed protestor shot by the cops. Imagine if Ashli had been a black woman with the blm instead of pro-Trump. There would be rioting and real buildings would burn, just like they always do when a black is shot by a cop.
The coda, my takeaway of the two deaths is….it’s just so useless and tragic. They’re like the last two soldiers killed when everybody knows the war is over. Just a waste of lives.
All this pardon talk is probably why he’s going to at least be impeached again, and if Pelosi can do it before pardons are issued, she will. I think it would be a mistake on the GOP as a whole for Trump to start pardoning people, but that wouldn’t stop him either.
The stupidness of the whataboutism is exceeded by the stupidness of the whatifism.
A police officer was murdered at the Republican riot at the Capitol, which was incited by trump and cruz. They should stand trial for capital murder.
I can see trump forming his own party after this and taking half the Republican votes with him.
Like lemmings…
Dollar to donuts we’ll see (more and more) Congressional Republicans distance themselves from this assclown as the days go by. Gonna be hard to wash the four year stink off, tho.